Talking Points: Saturday - 25th of May 2024

Ratings from Saturday’s Doomben Cup and The Roses.

BOIS D'ARGENT winning the XXXX DOOMBEN CUP at Doomben in Australia.
BOIS D'ARGENT winning the XXXX DOOMBEN CUP at Doomben in Australia. Picture: Racing Queensland/Michael McInally

Bois D'Argent was a surprise winner of the Group 1 Doomben Cup (2000m), leading throughout to repel all challengers.

By Timeform's scale, this is actually just an equal career best performance from the seven-year-old, running to 116, a rating he also ran when second to Benaud in the Wyong Cup.

He gave the winner 4kg that day for a narrow defeat which largely contributed to the high rating performance, while he did beat better horses on Saturday, the margins were compressed with 3.1 lengths covering the first nine home, and 5.6 lengths over the first 13.

It didn't look a strong Doomben Cup going in and that view has been strong affirmed with the ratings. 116 is the equal lowest rating for a male in the past ten years, equal to Huetor's first win in 2022 when run over 2100m at Eagle Farm.

Huetor also holds the next lowest winning rating, running to 118 last year, as did Sense Of Occasion in 2017 while Zaaki heads the list clearly at 126, his peak career rating by two pounds.

Two mares have won the race in that time with Kenedna only needing to run to 110 to win in 2019 while Streama ran to 113 in 2014.

The run of the race was clearly Fawkner Park, with enough in the sectionals to say he should've won the race.

His finished speed was 106% and he was the only horse to break 12 seconds for his final 200m. Of course, his racing pattern is a large part of that, but he's run a new peak of five pounds, up from 110 in the Wagga Cup the start prior, where his sectionals earnt him the coveted Timeform +.

He can win the Q22 if they go that way and get a better tempo to run at, but if there's new blood in that race it could be worth looking for different form lines.


The Roses

A key lead up to the Group 1 Queensland Oaks (2200m), it might be surprising to note that only three fillies have done the Roses/Oaks double- Ethereal, Scarlett Lady and Youngstar.

In a less surprising fact, subsequent Cups double winner Ethereal is the equal-highest rated winner of The Roses this century, running to 109, as did Scarlett Lady in 2011.

When Ethereal won the race in 2001, it only held listed status, before she went on to notch up her maiden Group 1 with a 115 rating in the Oaks, as did Scarlett Oak.

Youngstar, meanwhile, only ran to 105 to win the Roses and 107 to win the Oaks, and despite running well in big races, never won again.

This year, Scarlet Oak also ran to 105 to win The Roses, which is the mean winning rating for this race, also matched by the likes of Fireburn, Bohemian Lily and Arabian Gold since the race has become a Group 2.

Typically you'll need to run around 110 to win an average Queensland Oaks, while the lowest winning rating is 105, which has occurred four times, including last year by Amokura.

With Autumn Angel likely going to the Derby over the Oaks, this is probably the form, and it wouldn't shock if this Oaks is a messy finish with any number of fillies capable of getting the right run on the day.


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Doomben

Saturday, 25th May 2024

9
15:57
(local)

XXXX DOOMBEN CUP (G1)

Type: OPEN
AUD $1,000,000
2000m TURF SOFT
9
15:57
(local)
AUD $1,000,000
2000m SOFT

XXXX DOOMBEN CUP (G1)

Type: OPEN
FP Silk Horse, Age & Sex
Sire & Dam
Jockey
Trainer
SP
WT
1st 11. BOIS D'ARGENT (GB) 7yo G
TORONADO (IRE) - MADONNA LILY (IRE)
BLAKE SHINN
ANNABEL NEASHAM
$26
59kg
OnTrack Bois D'Argent, Fourmour Racing, OnTrack Bois D'Argent No. 2, Bayles Girls Racing, Hon. G J Williamson, P E Kitching, Dr D A Worthley, W E Muller, M J Ostermeyer, T A Allen, P T Hope, Dr A M Morrison-Galt, J J Bristow, A Grigg, G F Townsend, N G Lamond, M Sheppard, Mrs T M Cusick & G X Ryan

Sales Information

2nd 14. NEW ENDEAVOUR (IRE) 4yo G
NEW BAY (GB) - MOODY BLUE (IRE)
CRAIG WILLIAMS
G WATERHOUSE & A BOTT
$11
59kg
L Nestadt, Teme Valley (Mgr: R Ryan), Ballylinch Stud, X Y Huang, Bangaloe Stud (Mgr: Miss J Ritchie), Dr F Hume, Australian Chinese Jockey Club Racing 8, T Harry, T Needham, A McClure, L Caminiti, H & M Racing, R Morrison, H Tam, Ms S Freeman-Matthews, C Matthews, D De Jersey & Mrs Z De Jersey

Sales Information

3rd 12. FAWKNER PARK (IRE) 5yo G
ZOFFANY (IRE) - ZA'HARA (IRE)
TYLER SCHILLER
ANNABEL NEASHAM
$13
59kg
Bennett Racing P/L (Mgr: N Bennett), Gaire P/L (Mgr: D Molloy), M Buckley, D Phillips, B Robinson, Bennett Racing Fawkner Park (Mgr: N Bennett), ANR Fawkner Park (Mgr: Ms A Neasham), R Menchise, The Oven Fixers (Mgr: M Bailey), P Palmer, B Molloy, Keidaily Stud (Mgr: G Orr), A Thompson & W Molloy

Sales Information

4th 2. HUETOR (FR) 7yo G
ARCHIPENKO (USA) - BRIVIESCA (GB)
TOMMY BERRY
PETER & PAUL SNOWDEN
$13
59kg
5th 10. NAVAL COLLEGE (GB) 5yo G
DARTMOUTH (GB) - SEQUENCE (IRE)
TOM SHERRY
ANNABEL NEASHAM
$41
59kg

Sales Information

6th 3. KOVALICA (NZ) 4yo G
OCEAN PARK (NZ) - VITESSE (NZ)
NASH RAWILLER
CHRIS WALLER
$3.5
59kg

Sales Information

7th 13. HEZASHOCKA (NZ) 6yo G
SHOCKING (AUS) - SHEZAKIWI (NZ)
MICHAEL DEE
MICK PRICE & MICHAEL KENT JNR
$21
59kg

Sales Information

8th 4. DETONATOR JACK (NZ) 5yo G
JAKKALBERRY (IRE) - RED DELICIOUS (NZ)
JAMES MCDONALD
CIARON MAHER
$5.5
59kg

Sales Information

9th 15. AMOKURA (AUS) 4yo M
KERMADEC (NZ) - FAIN (AUS)
MARK ZAHRA
KRIS LEES
$17
57kg
10th 7. YOUNG WERTHER (NZ) 6yo G
TAVISTOCK (NZ) - ROMANTIC TIME (NZ)
DAMIAN LANE
DANNY O'BRIEN
$15
59kg

Sales Information

11th 1. NUMERIAN (IRE) 8yo G
HOLY ROMAN EMPEROR (IRE) - DELICATE CHARM (IRE)
JAMIE MOTT
ANNABEL NEASHAM
$8
59kg
12th 5. VOW AND DECLARE (AUS) 8yo G
DECLARATION OF WAR (USA) - GEBLITZT (AUS)
BILLY EGAN
DANNY O'BRIEN
$14
59kg

Sales Information

13th 6. SERPENTINE (IRE) 7yo G
GALILEO (IRE) - REMEMBER WHEN (IRE)
TIM CLARK
G WATERHOUSE & A BOTT
$26
59kg
14th 8. EL BODEGON (IRE) 5yo G
KODIAC (GB) - AL ANDALYYA (USA)
JAMES ORMAN
CHRIS WALLER
$81
59kg

Sales Information