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No Fawkner, or any of Lloyd's (surprise, surprise), no internationals. A few had her measure in the Spring. Has this mare improved or just benefiting from the typical drop in class from Spring to Autumn in these types of races? Interested on forumite's thoughts.
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.....to have a sensible discussion about this, but a few individuals in here make that impossible. Nevertheless, I'll feel a need to get this off my chest, so I'll press on regardless.
You see, about 20 odd years ago, soon after I started following the caper, I watched Better Loosen Up win a Japan cup. A year later Naturalism went within a whisker of doing the same. This would be inconceivable today. Couldn't happen.
Falvelon won back to back HK Sprints 15 years ago and it was around a decade or so ago Elvestroem won a Dubai Duty Free. Not quite as unlikely as the previous two, but a bit of a stretch, I'd imagine.
So we're used to seeing overseas horses and imports dominating our middle distance/staying races such that we don't question it any more. But how good are the rest of our horses, particularly in light of the weekend's results. Dumbfounded, I kept hearing in the last few weeks what cracking fields the Coolmore and the Ryder were but then....you know...
Europe's Europe but when I started following racing I'd back an Australian horse against a Japanese one, let alone a Hong Kong or Dubai one. Now, no way. SYT was world class and Black Caviar was something altogether different, but such horses can't paper over the cracks which suggest, to me at least, that other racing jurisdictions have gone straight past us.
I'd love someone to convince me I'm wrong.
You see, about 20 odd years ago, soon after I started following the caper, I watched Better Loosen Up win a Japan cup. A year later Naturalism went within a whisker of doing the same. This would be inconceivable today. Couldn't happen.
Falvelon won back to back HK Sprints 15 years ago and it was around a decade or so ago Elvestroem won a Dubai Duty Free. Not quite as unlikely as the previous two, but a bit of a stretch, I'd imagine.
So we're used to seeing overseas horses and imports dominating our middle distance/staying races such that we don't question it any more. But how good are the rest of our horses, particularly in light of the weekend's results. Dumbfounded, I kept hearing in the last few weeks what cracking fields the Coolmore and the Ryder were but then....you know...
Europe's Europe but when I started following racing I'd back an Australian horse against a Japanese one, let alone a Hong Kong or Dubai one. Now, no way. SYT was world class and Black Caviar was something altogether different, but such horses can't paper over the cracks which suggest, to me at least, that other racing jurisdictions have gone straight past us.
I'd love someone to convince me I'm wrong.
Not worried about the wide draw over the 1200m at Caulfield. As long as Browne doesn't panic I think Earthquake can sit wide and simply be too good.
The more I look at it the more I like the run of Jabali in the Prelude, and at $15 represents perhaps the value.
The more I look at it the more I like the run of Jabali in the Prelude, and at $15 represents perhaps the value.
A penny for the thoughts of the AFL boss today. There can be little doubt the AFL was very keen for a high profile player to assist in their most recent expansion. And one who would last somewhat longer and has a more lasting impact than Izzy.
And all certainly seemed to be going to plan except that Buddy has obviously plumped for lattes (or variant preferred substances) around Paddington rather than the development clinics around Paramatta. Not to mention finals as opposed to floggings. And who could blame him?
And the head brass at the AFL, if they weren't seething as they almost certainly are right now, must surely appreciate the irony of the situation they now find themselves in. Do we eat a considerable amount of sh!t and watch Franklin become a Swan, or do we eat even more sh!t and admit that this ridiculous provision we have created is now being exploited, and give the rest of the competition what they will now surely be united in demanding?
Eddie's telling everyone he was right all along, Mick's joined in with the literary analogies. The last I've heard from the AFL is they'll be "reviewing the situation".
What are you going to do, Andrew?
And all certainly seemed to be going to plan except that Buddy has obviously plumped for lattes (or variant preferred substances) around Paddington rather than the development clinics around Paramatta. Not to mention finals as opposed to floggings. And who could blame him?
And the head brass at the AFL, if they weren't seething as they almost certainly are right now, must surely appreciate the irony of the situation they now find themselves in. Do we eat a considerable amount of sh!t and watch Franklin become a Swan, or do we eat even more sh!t and admit that this ridiculous provision we have created is now being exploited, and give the rest of the competition what they will now surely be united in demanding?
Eddie's telling everyone he was right all along, Mick's joined in with the literary analogies. The last I've heard from the AFL is they'll be "reviewing the situation".
What are you going to do, Andrew?
Looking forward to this race on the weekend, as I think we'll see one of two very good gallopers break their Group 1 duck. And given I declared him a good thing in the Spring to do just that before it all went wrong, connections would probably be shuddering to know that I think it will be Buffering.
Rain Affair is racing very well, but to me his best performances have been over 1400m. I suspect this is because with less early pressure he settles better, and is able to keep finding at the end. With early pace around him he can get a bit fierce. I reckon at some stage Buffering will be eyeballing him and will end up going past.
I'm not convinced Sea Siren is the same horse as last year. On face value, her second up run was a big improvement, but she was ridden quietly off a hot speed on a day they were generally coming from the rear, and still couldn't get past Rain Affair over 1200m.
We know the 3yos are good, but Better Than Ready is yet to beat a field anywhere near as good as this. Can't have him here.
So I'll take the admittedly short odds on Buff. But really, I'll just be happy to see him with the win he really deserves.
Rain Affair is racing very well, but to me his best performances have been over 1400m. I suspect this is because with less early pressure he settles better, and is able to keep finding at the end. With early pace around him he can get a bit fierce. I reckon at some stage Buffering will be eyeballing him and will end up going past.
I'm not convinced Sea Siren is the same horse as last year. On face value, her second up run was a big improvement, but she was ridden quietly off a hot speed on a day they were generally coming from the rear, and still couldn't get past Rain Affair over 1200m.
We know the 3yos are good, but Better Than Ready is yet to beat a field anywhere near as good as this. Can't have him here.
So I'll take the admittedly short odds on Buff. But really, I'll just be happy to see him with the win he really deserves.
For the life of me I can't think of a better horse I've seen in recent years to still be a Group 1 maiden than Buffering. A more deserving galloper. But at Moonee Valley on Friday night that's all about to change.
This is a horse that has had more than it's share of bad luck, not the least of which is to have been born at the wrong time. And when he seemed to have the stage to himself in Brisbane this year he goes amiss with the BTC Cup seemingly at his mercy, leaving him arguably underdone for the 10,000, where he is nutted by Sea Siren. A big weight and a wide run in the Stradbroke. Another gaallant second. And in the process he's become one of my favourite horses.
He won't be beaten in the Manikato. I won't hear of it (especially as I took the $3.70 still available before the Scillachi). He is an even bigger certainty in the Patinack, and will be more than compeitive in Hong Kong if they go.
This is his time. Go Buff.
This is a horse that has had more than it's share of bad luck, not the least of which is to have been born at the wrong time. And when he seemed to have the stage to himself in Brisbane this year he goes amiss with the BTC Cup seemingly at his mercy, leaving him arguably underdone for the 10,000, where he is nutted by Sea Siren. A big weight and a wide run in the Stradbroke. Another gaallant second. And in the process he's become one of my favourite horses.
He won't be beaten in the Manikato. I won't hear of it (especially as I took the $3.70 still available before the Scillachi). He is an even bigger certainty in the Patinack, and will be more than compeitive in Hong Kong if they go.
This is his time. Go Buff.
Australia's First Lady of Iron Ore has been in the news lately, graciously counselling us little folk against the smokes and the booze. But I have pored over her words of wisdom and can find no mention of the punt. I've taken this this as a sign of tacit approval, and I can launch into Spring racing secure in the knowledge that I'm not letting myself down.
And I'm not usually a fan of ante post betting, but with Gina's blessing and flushed with funds from my Inflated Australian Wage, I have decided to pick a couple out.
I'm pretty keen on Manighar in the Cox Plate, and I managed to get 13s before he's been crunched into 8s this week. To me he fits the right profile- seasoned, extremely consistent with WFA form at the distance, and looks to have come back in great nick.
But what I particularly like is that some of those closest to him in the market are, in my opinion, distance queries. This fellow, on the other hand, has shown himself capable of running a strong 2 miles. This gives Nolen an ace up his sleeve, which I'm hoping he plays and plays early in the running, otherwise he may me handing the prize to another First Lady.
I'm also hoping that that he doesn't go to the Caulfield Cup, where with much less confidence I've had a nibble at 80s at Midas Touch. Two so-so runs this time in but he improved sharply third up last year and I'm hoping he does the same in the Dato this week. And reading between the lines, I think the Williams camp want Green Moon for the Cox Plate, and so hopefully will be targeting Caulfield with this fellow. Though really, who knows what that stable has in mind.
As for he Melbourne Cup, I'm just confused. Sorry Gina, might wait for the barrier draw.
And I'm not usually a fan of ante post betting, but with Gina's blessing and flushed with funds from my Inflated Australian Wage, I have decided to pick a couple out.
I'm pretty keen on Manighar in the Cox Plate, and I managed to get 13s before he's been crunched into 8s this week. To me he fits the right profile- seasoned, extremely consistent with WFA form at the distance, and looks to have come back in great nick.
But what I particularly like is that some of those closest to him in the market are, in my opinion, distance queries. This fellow, on the other hand, has shown himself capable of running a strong 2 miles. This gives Nolen an ace up his sleeve, which I'm hoping he plays and plays early in the running, otherwise he may me handing the prize to another First Lady.
I'm also hoping that that he doesn't go to the Caulfield Cup, where with much less confidence I've had a nibble at 80s at Midas Touch. Two so-so runs this time in but he improved sharply third up last year and I'm hoping he does the same in the Dato this week. And reading between the lines, I think the Williams camp want Green Moon for the Cox Plate, and so hopefully will be targeting Caulfield with this fellow. Though really, who knows what that stable has in mind.
As for he Melbourne Cup, I'm just confused. Sorry Gina, might wait for the barrier draw.
The Oaks looks rubbish and the Patinack a one horse race, so the last Group 1 of the season looks like the one to focus on. The Emirates on Saturday:
1 11116X2112 JIMMY CHOUX (NZ) John Bary Jonathan Riddell 13 58kg 118
2 X2200X0444 WALL STREET (NZ) Jeff Lynds Hugh Bowman 2 56kg 114
3 461976X668 DANLEIGH Chris Waller 1 55.5kg 112
4 522220X131 LOVE CONQUERS ALL Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Darren Beadman 9 55.5kg 112
5 4X5X0X5103 TOORAK TOFF Rick Hore-Lacy Steven Arnold 5 55.5kg 112
6 4133131403 PINWHEEL Peter Snowden Kerrin McEvoy 16 54.5kg 110
7 040X46X242 ALBERT THE FAT Chris Waller 11 54kg 108
8 3131X22415 SECRET ADMIRER Grahame Begg Brenton Avdulla 4 54kg 114
9 5171X10661 WOORIM Robert Heathcote Michael Rodd 8 54kg 108
10 11112X2311 TESTA MY PATIENCE Mick Price Craig Newitt 3 53.5kg 106
11 11147X1127 KING’S ROSE (NZ) Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 12 53kg 111
12 0X52512251 PINNACLES Rick Hore-Lacy Corey Brown 15 53kg 105
13 X32708X750 DAO DAO Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Dwayne Dunn 14 52.5kg 103
14 89290X4537 LUEN YAT FOREVER Peter G Moody Nicholas Hall 17 52.5kg 103
15 90X601X007 YOSEI Stuart Webb Ms Michelle Payne 6 52.5kg 109
16 X12211X123 RED TRACER Chris Waller 19 52kg 106
17e 0023X19X60 LARGO LAD David Hayes James Winks 7 52kg 102
18e 1X37214X54 WILLY JIMMY Guy Walter 20 52kg 99
19e 22150X0902 LORD PYRUS (NZ) Judy Mawer 18 52kg 98
20e 530960X113 HE’S REMARKABLE (NZ) Roger James 10 52kg 95
Looks the best edition of this race for a while. Like Jimmy but that barrier and weight a concern against a good field. Thoughts?
1 11116X2112 JIMMY CHOUX (NZ) John Bary Jonathan Riddell 13 58kg 118
2 X2200X0444 WALL STREET (NZ) Jeff Lynds Hugh Bowman 2 56kg 114
3 461976X668 DANLEIGH Chris Waller 1 55.5kg 112
4 522220X131 LOVE CONQUERS ALL Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Darren Beadman 9 55.5kg 112
5 4X5X0X5103 TOORAK TOFF Rick Hore-Lacy Steven Arnold 5 55.5kg 112
6 4133131403 PINWHEEL Peter Snowden Kerrin McEvoy 16 54.5kg 110
7 040X46X242 ALBERT THE FAT Chris Waller 11 54kg 108
8 3131X22415 SECRET ADMIRER Grahame Begg Brenton Avdulla 4 54kg 114
9 5171X10661 WOORIM Robert Heathcote Michael Rodd 8 54kg 108
10 11112X2311 TESTA MY PATIENCE Mick Price Craig Newitt 3 53.5kg 106
11 11147X1127 KING’S ROSE (NZ) Peter G Moody Luke Nolen 12 53kg 111
12 0X52512251 PINNACLES Rick Hore-Lacy Corey Brown 15 53kg 105
13 X32708X750 DAO DAO Michael, Wayne & John Hawkes Dwayne Dunn 14 52.5kg 103
14 89290X4537 LUEN YAT FOREVER Peter G Moody Nicholas Hall 17 52.5kg 103
15 90X601X007 YOSEI Stuart Webb Ms Michelle Payne 6 52.5kg 109
16 X12211X123 RED TRACER Chris Waller 19 52kg 106
17e 0023X19X60 LARGO LAD David Hayes James Winks 7 52kg 102
18e 1X37214X54 WILLY JIMMY Guy Walter 20 52kg 99
19e 22150X0902 LORD PYRUS (NZ) Judy Mawer 18 52kg 98
20e 530960X113 HE’S REMARKABLE (NZ) Roger James 10 52kg 95
Looks the best edition of this race for a while. Like Jimmy but that barrier and weight a concern against a good field. Thoughts?
Thought I'd get in first before Khap jumps in to bag the depth of our 3yos. Only 6 acceptances for the first Group 1 of the season, but it looks high on quality so I don't particlarly mind that. Just hope it doesn't develop into a crawl. Can Manawanui or Aeronautical upset the big boys? Might have a little bit on the former.
SMART MISSILE $1.75 $1.08
HELMET $4.60 $1.41
MANAWANUI $7.50 $1.74
AERONAUTICAL $8.50 $1.85
FOXWEDGE $8.50 $1.85
FLIGHT OF PEGASUS $41.00 $5.57
SMART MISSILE $1.75 $1.08
HELMET $4.60 $1.41
MANAWANUI $7.50 $1.74
AERONAUTICAL $8.50 $1.85
FOXWEDGE $8.50 $1.85
FLIGHT OF PEGASUS $41.00 $5.57
We have threads for Cups horses and WFA stars, but one of my favourite aspects of the spring is the emergence of the 3yos. Very often these aren't the champion 2yos but emerge from obscurity either relative (eg Whobegotyou) or utter (eg Weekend Hussler).
Anyone got thoughts (heard whispers) on likely candidates for any of the 3yo features?
One proviso, so we don't get any Sepoys or Helmets: they can't have run in a Group 1 2yo race.
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Anyone got thoughts (heard whispers) on likely candidates for any of the 3yo features?
One proviso, so we don't get any Sepoys or Helmets: they can't have run in a Group 1 2yo race.
Mine's Appollo Creed
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